Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Why Do Believers Still Have Such Trouble?



Joel 2:28-32 - 
 Second Commentary

“These things happened to them as examples for us.
They were written down to warn us who live at the end of the age.”  
1 Corinthians 10:11 NLT

And After The Holy Spirit Is Poured Out What Happens?

[STUDY NOTE: Be aware of catchy phrases that we like to use as short cuts. They keep us for probing a passage with clarifying questions.]

1.  Is There A Warning Here?


 Yes - The Dreadful Day of the Lord is Coming

 I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth.
     blood and fire and billows of smoke.
        The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood
                                        before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
          Joel 2:30-31 NIV
Jesus give a similar warning and quotes this passage in Mark 13:5-25:

5 Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 6 Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many. 7 When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 8 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.
9 “You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 11 Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.
12 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 13 Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
14 “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let no one on the housetop go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 17 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18 Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.
20 “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. 22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
24 “But in those days, following that distress,
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
25 the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

Before Deliverance Comes The Spirit
Before Peace Comes The Sword!

2.  And Everyone Who Calls On The Name Of The Lord
     Will Be Saved


Notice - This Is Not A Universal Salvation

The prophet says the qualifier right up front. Only those who call on the name of the Lord will be save. So here too we have a warning.

Paul In Romans 10:11-21 Clarifies This Warning:

11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
16 But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” 17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. 18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:

“Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.”

19 Again I ask: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says,

“I will make you envious by those who are not a nation;
I will make you angry by a nation that has no understanding.”

20 And Isaiah boldly says,

“I was found by those who did not seek me;
I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me.” 

21 But concerning Israel he says,

“All day long I have held out my hands
to a disobedient and obstinate people.”

The Same Is True Of Us The New Israel
And We Have The Words Of The Prophets Made More Sure.

The Deliverance Will Also Be Conditional

May I remind you that we are still asking the question, "Is there a warning here?"

Only Those Who Survive Will Be Saved
And Not All Who Survive Will Be Delivered.

3.  What Comes After The Pouring Out Of The Spirit?


All the scary things God says happen before and at the coming of the Day of the Lord.

A Conditional Salvation

And A Conditional Deliverance.

Those who believe in and live in Christ Jesus meet that condition, but only after the trial of their faith.  


It is time that our expectations and teachings about receiving the Holy Spirit get back to the original foundations of God's revelations -- only then can we rightly hand things like the promises, the blessings, and the gifts. 



1.  Is this message to scary to be preached from the pulpit and share in your country?

2.  Why did you covet the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in your life?

3.  Do you have the kind of faith that says, "Bring it on!"

Before Deliverance Comes The Spirit
Before Peace Comes The Sword!

(I Will Pour Out My Spirit) IMG_9427_Ap_t_2_17 by Heikki Damski All rights reserved

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